I tend to I damage the hook points hitting off the beach waaay faster than the bucktail gets damaged. Could just be my poor casting! But I also get very paranoid about a dull hook point so I often re-tie if the point feels dull at all. I tried using hook sharpener, but never felt like i could really get back to that really biting'ly sharp point with it.I'm with Nick on this. I'm a hook clipper myself and can say I've ever noticed any issue with the loop or bucktail getting broken by it.
I do tie my stingers a bit differently thought then a standard clousers. I tie the underwing flash onto the hook shank before adding the belly bucktail, rather then adding it up front under the wing. Maybe the jagged edge of the cut off hook can't as easily damage the flash versus bucktail?
I'm not sure and I really don't think it would matter either way regardless of how they are tied. Mustad DT hooks are cheap so I'll continue to use and cut them off since I have a lot on hand.
Some bucktails can be more brittle then others. Dinging the beach will break it as well. Still way better then any synthetic I've ever used for clousers.
SF.
Growing up I distinctly remember fishing lakes with chironomids and even with my float tube tied to this individuals, using his fly's (I was like 8), down the same depth, I didn't catch as many fish. Even when I used his rod and he used mine, he'd start out-fishing me with my own rod.As others have said, probably a combo of bad luck combined with the potential for some less aggressive fish. I am still consistently hooking pinks from shore when they come within casting distance. I have noticed some are already getting humpy and bronzy but not sure that makes a difference. I know people catch them in rivers. Keep at it and it will pay off. Fly fishing is a very effective way to target salmon for the beach. I watched the same fly fisherman out-fish the entire beach by himself (other fly guys, hardware and herring) multiple days in a row recently. Not sure what his program is exactly but itās working, as well or better than any I have ever witnessed, gear or fly.
Tube flies, my friend. Tube flies.I tend to I damage the hook points hitting off the beach waaay faster than the bucktail gets damaged. Could just be my poor casting! But I also get very paranoid about a dull hook point so I often re-tie if the point feels dull at all. I tried using hook sharpener, but never felt like i could really get back to that really biting'ly sharp point with it.
Growing up I distinctly remember fishing lakes with chironomids and even with my float tube tied to this individuals, using his fly's (I was like 8), down the same depth, I didn't catch as many fish. Even when I used his rod and he used mine, he'd start out-fishing me with my own rod.
Iāve really liked switching to tying onto shanks instead of hooks for my stinger clousers. Despite various attempted fixes I always felt that the jagged metal where I clipped off the front hook was problematic. It shears the bucktail off among other things. I tried covering it with UV resin but that quickly falls off. Tried clipping all the way to the thread but that risks unraveling the thread. I saw a whats in your vise post where @jasmillo was tying them on shanks and thought āyep, thatās it.ā
I know others fish clipped hooks without much problem though. Curious if thereās an easy fix Iām missing.
Since the first time I cut a hook on a stinger pattern I've had that same thought about the jagged edge. However I can honestly say I've never once seen it cause an issue so at some point I just stopped worrying about it.
Oh man, I always worried about that. Iām a worrier I guess. So what I do is I use my bench hook hone to file it roundish/smooth enough. I pull the tail materials back between thumb and forefinger to expose the cut off hook and just hit it four to eight times or so in various directions until itās smooth.I'm with Nick on this. I'm a hook clipper myself and can say I've ever noticed any issue with the loop or bucktail getting broken by it.
I do tie my stingers a bit differently thought then a standard clousers. I tie the underwing flash onto the hook shank before adding the belly bucktail, rather then adding it up front under the wing. Maybe the jagged edge of the cut off hook can't as easily damage the flash versus bucktail?
I'm not sure and I really don't think it would matter either way regardless of how they are tied. Mustad DT hooks are cheap so I'll continue to use and cut them off since I have a lot on hand.
Some bucktails can be more brittle then others. Dinging the beach will break it as well. Still way better then any synthetic I've ever used for clousers.
SF.
Here's my "flasher" story:Great that you found some fish! Two years ago, almost to the day, I posted the text below on the "Lost, Found & Stolen" section of the old WFF site...I am still waiting for the rightful owner...Based on replies from other members about similar sightings, it must happen quite often, as crazy as it seems when you see it.
Found flasher towed by Chinook in Central Puget Sound, August 14, 2021
Found a nice trolling flasher going southbound at the surface in about 150 feet of water while sight casting for pink salmon, from a boat in central Puget Sound this morning. Upon careful approach it was determined that said flasher was being towed by a large chinook salmon, and at a good pace. It was also determined that trying to hook the flasher with a 6wt and lighter tippet, although sporty, it could be foolish. Instead, a couple of attempts were made to approach the flasher from different angles and either use a boat hook on the flasher, or outright net the fish. However, the fish managed to match and outmaneuver all attempts, including the help of a fellow boater that passed by and found all the commotion, net flying, crazy boat turning.... intriguing and who did not want to miss on the fish wrangling. Eventually, I remembered we had my kid's spinning rod outfitted with a buzzbomb stowed in the boat. Half a dozen casts later we managed to hook the leader between the flasher and the king salmon, play the fish (which still had a lot of energy left!) and get everything to the boat.
Please provide a description of the brand, size and color of the flasher and type/color of lure, as well as type of mainline and all efforts will be made to return the missing gear to the rightful owner. We regret to inform that the king salmon will not be returned. A story of how and where this flasher was lost will be extra credit.
Ah, Puget Sound, it sure sucks, NOT.
I have been fishing Whidbey Island beaches since I moved here 9 year ago. I tend to avoid Lagoon Point and Bush Point because of the crowds. Driftwood seems to fish best at low tides especially with a fly rod because of the piles of driftwood that like to catch flies. You might try Ebey's Landing at high tide. The biggest problem with Ebey's is parking. It is a popular beach with hikers and families. There is plenty of beach if you can find a place to park. I've had my best luck with stinger Clousers. I use a full sinking line and probably cast 50-70 feet depending on wind and surf conditions. You probably just were fishing at a bad time. I'm lucky that I have a beach within 2 miles of my house so I get there often. Fishing has been good but I have been skunked a couple of days also.Just finishing up a trip on Whidbey Island, where I was able to to try salmon fishing for the first time. No specific species in mind, but āexpectingā pinks since that was what everyone around us was catching. But we got absolutely skunked! Weāre a group of 3 and combined had 15+ hours of fly fishing in, and not a single salmon, not even a biteā¦ We tried everything we could think of, and tried to implement everything we could read about! We were hitting all the popular beachesā¦ Lagoon Point North, Bush Point, the state park, Driftwood park by the ferry. Our only thought is we just couldnāt get a fly out far enough? Or maybe we were just out competed with the hoards of buzz bombs. Or maybe thereās better beaches suited to fly fishing where the fish come in closer. Bottom line is we were out fished by grannies in lawn chairs next to us, haha.
Anyone want to take some pity on some noob PNW salmon beach fly fishers and give some helpful tips?