Can't own the water. If you anchor or touch the shore in theory you could get a ticket if the owners wanted to give you one.Explain to me how that works. If the lake is privately owned but a sliver of access to the lake is owned by the Dept of Game, is the public still allowed to access it for fishing or is that forbidden..?
Here is what I was told a number of years ago. I can’t verify the story. The old guy that owned the place made some sort of agreement with the state game department. He gave the department the sliver of land to be used for public access and agreed to allow public fishing. Not sure by who, what, or why this was done. Later the old guy got upset with the amount of traffic and trash left at the access area so the rumor was the state changed the regs and made the lake fly fishing only, c and r. This seemed to help with the traffic and trash.Explain to me how that works. If the lake is privately owned but a sliver of access to the lake is owned by the Dept of Game, is the public still allowed to access it for fishing or is that forbidden..?
Yep, the old man told me something pretty similar. I wanna say his name was Mike. But I'm terrible with names. Could be way off.Here is what I was told a number of years ago. I can’t verify the story. The old guy that owned the place made some sort of agreement with the state game department. He gave the department the sliver of land to be used for public access and agreed to allow public fishing. Not sure by who, what, or why this was done. Later the old guy got upset with the amount of traffic and trash left at the access area so the rumor was the state changed the regs and made the lake fly fishing only, c and r. This seemed to help with the traffic and trash.
At some point the owner brought in a younger guy to help take care of him and the property. Over the years the two became friends and when the owner passed away he left the lake and property to the care taker.
Can't own the water. If you anchor or touch the shore in theory you could get a ticket if the owners wanted to give you one.
The way it was worded, it appeared that the lake was part of the purchase which caused the confusion. But I agree with what you said about not being able to own the water..Here is what I was told a number of years ago. I can’t verify the story. The old guy that owned the place made some sort of agreement with the state game department. He gave the department the sliver of land to be used for public access and agreed to allow public fishing. Not sure by who, what, or why this was done. Later the old guy got upset with the amount of traffic and trash left at the access area so the rumor was the state changed the regs and made the lake fly fishing only, c and r. This seemed to help with the traffic and trash.
At some point the owner brought in a younger guy to help take care of him and the property. Over the years the two became friends and when the owner passed away he left the lake and property to the care taker.
So if you buy the lake, is it yours after the WDFW lease runs out? Could you stock it with whatever you want?
Great way to destroy relationships indeed. My late wife's best friend was one of 3 siblings that inherited a 3.5 million dollar ranch in Montana. The oldest brother had always lived on the ranch and wanted to keep it for himself. You can only imagine the shit show that ensued but suffice it to say that it was a long and bitter battle involving lawyers that fractured the entire family.
George Washington said it first and said it best: "Avoid Entangling Alliances." Some we are born into and can't be avoided, the rest are mostly our own fault.
Great way to destroy relationships indeed. My late wife's best friend was one of 3 siblings that inherited a 3.5 million dollar ranch in Montana. The oldest brother had always lived on the ranch and wanted to keep it for himself. You can only imagine the shit show that ensued but suffice it to say that it was a long and bitter battle involving lawyers that fractured the entire family.
George Washington said it first and said it best: "Avoid Entangling Alliances." Some we are born into and can't be avoided, the rest are mostly our own fault.
I've heard multiple tales of woe with a similar plotline. I've also heard of a few cases where families/friends managed to avoid that fate, but from what I can tell they were very careful to stipulate what happens with regards to allocating time, ownership expenses, sale of a stake in the property, etc so everyone was in agreement at the outset.
Of course that's no guarantee that things will go well, and most of the reason that the agreements didn't dissolve into a nightmare probably had to do with the character and values of the people involved and their willingness to abide by the terms of the agreement.
I think it was the otters that wouldn't let him turn it into a fish farm.Didn’t the owner want to turn it into a fish farm but the state wouldn’t let him
Yup...and all ot takes is one turd in the soup bowl to ruin the entire dining experience.As a family we have managed real estate investments and properties for about 30 yrs. My wife and i are about done with a complete build-out and are ready to open a business.
Individual character has been our base for smooth operations and when things go south.....its all about the maturity level and professionalism of each player.
Some families don't have the chemistry to eat a meal together.
If you read the whole ad and look at the map within the ad it makes sense. The opening line by itself is confusing as far as who controls what. Unless the body of the ad or the map is misrepresented, it appears the private land around 3/4 of the lake is what's for sale, the state has an easment to (and control of) the water, and PSE owns the encompassing land around the subject including the other fourth of waterfront on the lake itself. So the allure is being the sole private/household land owner on an otherwise public (state managed) lake.
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I think most of the time the issue is that people don't structure "shared" stuff as strictly and legally as they should. It needs to all be spelled out in advance. Usage, scheduling, maintenance, supplies, selling out, how to arbitrate issues, etc. Every little detail. No matter if you are sharing a cabin or starting a resturant with someone, it has to all be in writing, in advance.I've heard multiple tales of woe with a similar plotline. I've also heard of a few cases where families/friends managed to avoid that fate, but from what I can tell they were very careful to stipulate what happens with regards to allocating time, ownership expenses, sale of a stake in the property, etc so everyone was in agreement at the outset.
Of course that's no guarantee that things will go well, and most of the reason that the agreements didn't dissolve into a nightmare probably had to do with the character and values of the people involved and their willingness to abide by the terms of the agreement.